In a December 1943 conference, Hitler welcomed the suggestion of taking the StuG III superstructure and mounting it on a Panzer IV chassis to offset the loss of production of the StuG III. It had a Maybach HL 120 engine that was capable of propelling it at speeds of up to 40 km/h. Then the whole thing goes pear shaped. The crew consisted of 4 people. Wot stug iii vs stug iv. Unfortunately I don't have specific M4 vs StuG III statistics. The quote below is from achtungpanzer.com. This basically ended any realistic opportunity of freeing the 6th Army. This tended to pull the vehicle towards an AT role. I'd say if you are new to mediums get the Panzer 4. The superstructure of the StuG III Ausf. Initially a secondary capability, employment as an anti-tank weapon became more important as the war progressed. However, the lack of a traverse movement in the gun meant the entire vehicle had to be turned left or right to acquire targets, which proved to be a significant weakness at times. Hertzers and Stug III's could not be made as tanks capable of surviving on the Eastern Front. It's armor is worse, but it's cannon is almost the same. F chassis with its most notable difference being the addition of an L/28 howitzer for its main gun. Stugs started off as artillery vehicles with short 75's. Not much. Combat weight was 23 tonnes, lighter than the 23.9 tonnes for the StuG III Ausf. No provision for indirect firing? ....(page 96) in 1943 the Alkett factory, which produced Stug III's, was carpet bombed by the USAF. F was designed with a 10.5 cm (4.1 in) true howitzer instead of the 7.5 cm StuK 40 L/43 cannon. Featuring specially commissioned artwork and an array of archive photographs, this is the absorbing story of the parts played by Soviet and Finnish armour in the epic battles in Finland during June and July … The lack of an internal light machine gun in early models left the StuG vulnerable to close-range infantry attack. IV H and J. Yet roads,railways,trucks, parts factories, petrol stations were damaged/destroyed. Initially, they were intended as armored self-propelled guns providing close fire support to the infantry to destroy bunkers, pillboxes and other entrenched positions. German StuG in Finland. of I Abteilung) all had them. The Sturmgeschütz III G (known as StuG G in Flames of War) was a German self-propelled gun of WW2, often used as a tank destroyer. The main German anti-tank gun, the 37 mm Pak 36, also proved unable to penetrate the armor of these Soviet designs. I used to own one, and from my experience it's better than the Panzer 3, but not in the same league as the Panther. The Stug IV or StuG IV is an Axis heavy vehicle unit that is featured in Company of Heroes. These new vehicles, designated StuH 42 (Sturmhaubitze 42, Sd.Kfz 142/2), were designed to provide infantry support with the increased number of StuG III Ausf. by Bob from Accounting » Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:41 pm, Post From December of 1943 to March of 1945, 1139 such "hybrids" were produced by Krupp-Gruson at Magdeburg (chassis number 89324 to 89382 and 100001 to unknown). The StuH 42, SdKfz 142/2, or Sturmhaubitze 42 was a self-propelled gun that was used by Germany during World War II. StuG III Ausf.G from the 23rd Sturmgeschütz Brigade in Russia, late 1943. by kramer » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:17 pm, Post by Alkie » Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:38 am, Post I'm confused. StuG 3 v t34/76. The Stug IV or StuG IV is an Axis heavy vehicle unit that is featured in Company of Heroes. Daimler-Benz AG was given the order to develop and produce such a weapon on June 15, 1936. This restarted the Sturmgeschütz IV project, which had earlier been considered and rejected. I can't pick many holes in what you guys are writing but consider this. I had thought the primary reason for the StuG was its simpler to build[no turret] and had a lower profile[smaller target to hit]. There was a big conference and the Artillery Arm saw him off. The first vehicles were produced by December 1943. G was mounted on a Panzer IV chassis 7. In November 1943, Alkett, GmbH, a major StuG III manufacturer, was bombed as part of the RAF campaign against Berlin, and Alkett's StuG production declined from 255 StuG IIIs in October 1943, to just 24 vehicles in December. Some StuG IIIs were modified with a co-axial machine gun as well. A number of captured StuGs were refurbished in the Soviet Union and given to Syria, along with some Panzer IVs, where they were used briefly against Israel. Discussions on all aspects of the USSR, from the Russian Civil War till the end of the Great Patriotic War and the war against Japan. Using the tanks high speed and maneuverability, you should generally stay away from enemies and damage them from afar with your weak armor and good … Following the defeat of the German Empire in World War I, military commanders from the Reichswehr began to consider how mobile armored artillery units could provide support to advancing infantry units. DB was to provide the hull and chassis and Krupp the detailed equipment, including the main gun, the 7.5 cm Geschütz L/24 für Sturmartillerie (Selbstf… By 1944, 9,346 of these self-propelled guns destroyed about 20,000 enemy … The StuG was an artillery vehicle for infantry support while JgPz were meant for AT units. Up-armored StuG III Ausf.G from an unidentified unit at the third battle of Kharkov, February 1943. Production rates were better than for panzers IV and V. So production continued until the end of the War. They had AT capability out to 800m but the primary purpose was to neutralize strongpoints. Do you mean the PanzerIII which the Stugs were based on? This created the lowest possible profile in order to reduce the vehicle's height, making the StuG more difficult to hit and easier to protect in hull defilade. The StuG III became Nazi Germany's most produced armored fighting vehicle during World War II, with some 10,000 examples manufactured. Having canceled the production of the Pz. Having canceled the production of the Pz. And having 2 tanks is much better than 1. AP (solid) projectile of English 57mm tank gun -from 600m. 1 Overview 2 Weapons 2.1 75mm StuK 40 L/48 2.2 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 42 3 Veterancy 4 Tactics 5 Weaknesses 6 Variants 7 Quotes 8 Gallery The Stug IV, an abbreviation of Sturmgeschütz IV, is an assault gun, a type of self-propelled artillery. While the A Finnish StuG (posing as a German one) appears in the movie The Eagle Has Landed, and ex-Finnish StuGs have since turned up in British war museums. 167), was a German assault gun variant of the Panzer IV used in the latter part of the Second World War. Because of the decreased costs and ease of production, the Germans began to use the StuGs to replace standard tank losses. A 12-cylinder Maybach HL 120 TRM engine generating 300 hp drove the StuG III. Elevation of the gun? German weapons, vehicles and equipment 1919-1945. Its maximum speed was 25 mph, and the power reserve was about 96 miles. The Hetzer was produced from April 1944 to May 1945, with a total of 2,584 vehicles manufactured. These new vehicles, designated StuH 42 (Sturmhaubitze 42, Sd.Kfz 142/2), were designed to provide infantry support with the increased number of StuG III Ausf. A Stu against easy 8s i tend to destroy them in two to three hits in the stug, with 3-4 for the panzer IV with apcr. The StuG was more successful in defensive roles, such as ambush, rather than as an offensive vehicle. They created five prototypes, based on the chassis of the Panzer III, which were not useful for combat operations but did prove valuable for training.[3]. I haven't played the game yet, but I've played around with list building quite a bit, so take what I say as you want. The StuG III was based on a Panzer III chassis (hence the III), and it didn’t have a rotating turret. A 12-cylinder Maybach HL 120 TRM engine generating 300 hp drove the StuG III. The first production units, the Sturmgeschütz III Ausf A, arrived in 1940 mounted with the short barreled 75 mm StuK 37L/24 gun and increased frontal hull armor (from 30 mm to 50 mm). I can't think of any Stug Abteilungen that had them. StuG III Ausf.G from the Abt. It was operated by 4 men crew. After seeing how bad the Stuh performs at 3.3 i started to think hard to find any reason for having Stug 3G at BR 4.3 - both have the same chasis/armor, and both are easy to destroy on all but medium-long range (lots of weakspots) - Germany has no low tier front line heavy tank, just a bunch of glass mediums, the Stug 3G was the only German low tier tank i had … yes, quite right but the hellcat has poor armour so its a given anyway. Dave AAA. The StuG III was based on a Panzer III chassis (hence the III), and it didn’t have a rotating turret. This gives it a higher specific power (hp/tonne), allowing it to accelerate faster. against easy 8s i tend to destroy them in two to three hits in the stug, with 3-4 for the panzer IV with apcr. Also remember that the sight is automatically set to 400 yards or so, so you might want to adjust it. When they came up against very large numbers of T-34's in long range engagements near the Aksai River, they suffered very very high casualties. borys68. The more common of the two, the StuG III, was built on the chassis of the proven Panzer III. The point I was making about the chassis of the Stug III and Hertzer (translation: "Troublemaker") is that the tank turrents that previously resided on these chassis could not support a capable anti-tank gun, or thick sloped armor. Following the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941, a significant problem developed when it was discovered that the main armament on the Panzer II and III tanks were inadequate to deal with the newer Soviet T-34 and KV-1 tanks. G) is a rank II German tank destroyer with a battle rating of 3.0 (AB/RB/SB). It was a little higher with the JadgPanther. AP projectile 85mm AA gun-from 1500m. By the middle of the Second World War it had developed into a potent anti-tank weapon, and the StuG III Ausf.G was produced in larger numbers than any single version of any other Ger… As a result, production was significantly reduced. The Sturmgeschütz IV (StuG IV) (Sd.Kfz. 14K 3,302 5. [3] The main armament, which had a limited lateral traverse, was mounted directly in a casemate-style hull. Kramer, as far as the silhouette, you are right, it was very low with the Stug III, Stug IV (Guderian's Duck) and the Hertzer. It was developed by a … I never build Panther. In 1942, a variant of the StuG Ausf. by Roger Griffiths » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:54 pm, Post 1 Description 2 Variants 3 History 4 References It had a Maybach HL 120 engine that was capable of propelling it at speeds of up to 40 km/h. A light, low-profile tank destroyer designed according to General Heinz Guderian's specifications. This made the StuG III battalion the most modern and powerful element of the Finnish armoured division, and it saw very extensive combat in the June-July summer battles. 4 years ago. It was at that time that Stug IV was either put into production or production was accelerated as a stopgap measure to supply assault guns to the various fronts. The crew consisted of 4 people. Another StuG III, in the possession of The Wheatcroft Collection, is awaiting restoration. The StuH 42 is essentially a StuG III Gwith a 10,5 cm howitzer. by Patrick » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:38 pm, Post You have to get the equipment to the Front.. Kramer, Guderian tried to get hold of Stug production for PD's and PGD's in April 1943 on being appointed Generalinspekteur der Panzertruppen. The StuG III was initially designated "StuG" but with the creation of the StuG IV (based on the Panzer IV chassis) it was re-designated the "StuG III" to distinguish the two. by Alkie » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:41 pm, Post October 1941 near Kalinin. They could not carry a 75mm L48 gun (turret ring too small) as tanks but could as assualt guns, along with heavier (and sloped) frontal armor. Stug is faster but not as flexible in close corners. Only about 1,300 StuH 42s were produced and were based on the StuG III F/8 and G models. For further reading you might look into Steven Zaloga's books particularly M10 Tank Destroyer vs StuG III Assault Gun. Thus the panzer regiments continued to be equipped with Panzer IV and Panther medium tanks for offensive operations. This vehicle first saw combat in France in 1940. I built the Academy kit of the Stug IV recently, and I'm curious. G (or just StuH 42 Ausf. Adolf in late 1943 requests that Stug IV's should be issued to panzer units 'if possible', and they were. Sturmgeschütz (abbreviated into StuG) meaning "assault gun" was a series of armored vehicles used by both the German Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS armored formations during the Second World War that primarily consisted of the StuG III and StuG IV. The StuG III Ausf.B looks and plays a lot like its tier 5 older brother, the StuG III Ausf.G. A more powerful gun, the 75 mm Pak 40, was being developed, but it didn't fit in the turret of the Panzer III, Germany's primary medium tank at the time. At least it did according the charts I've seen. Over 10,000 StuGs were eventually produced.[4]. Gs being used in the anti-tank role. 3,614 8. borys68. Concentrated bombing of Synthetic Fuel factories... An Agitator is pretty much the same as a troublemaker. The Krupp plant, which did not produce Panzer IIIs, used the Panzer IV chassis with a modified StuG III superstructure, with a box compartment for the driver added. 1 Overview 2 In Flames of War 2.1 Unit organization 2.2 Model kits 3 Model assembly 4 Painting 5 Combat efficiency 6 Image gallery The StuG III G assault gun was by far the most widely produced and used in the StuG series. It resulted in devastating the factory's ability to produce large numbers of Stugs for several months. StuG (Sturm Geschutz III) was a infantry support gun while Jagdpanzer IV was meant for tank killing (or tank hunting ) then there is no such waste of time in producing both ATST. Majority was issued in companies to infantry divisions with few exceptions. Dave AAA. It was produced, in several modifications, on the basis of the Pz. In 1942 and 1943 the StuG was one of the most effective tracked fighting vehicles fielded by the belligerents, in terms of enemy vehicles destroyed. by SvenW » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:04 am, Post To make up for the large deficit in StuG III production, StuG IV production received full support. Top. They were very similar in that they were low to the ground and had armoured casement instead of a turret. He doesnt fit its role: feels like a medium tank: - high mibilty - moderate AI (3 MGs) … Nominal: 3.9 s 50% Crew: 4.83 s 75% Crew: 4.22 s 100% Crew: 3.74 s Rammer: 3.37 s ... Low HP for a tier 4 TD Performance. After the specifications arrived at the OKH, an order was passed to Daimler-Benz AG and Krupp for delivering a prototype by June 15, 1936. did start going into PD's and PGD's and the practice spread as time went on. The more common of the two, the StuG III, was built on the chassis of the proven Panzer III. The first vehicles were produced by December 1943. against gen. lee tanks and standard sherman its about same. The Imperial War Museum's Duxford site also has an ex-Finland StuG but its markings are more ambiguous. It is a And on top of that, you can build 2 StuG for 1 Panther at almost the same cost. In 1942 the StuK40 L43 or 48 became available. The StuG III Ausf. III tank until 1945. So the Panzer IV G, H or J. vs. the StuG III F, G or H. They're both medium tanks (9+), both sporting a heavy AT cannon and an MMG, both can get the Schürzen for extra protection against … It was still an effective weapon in 1945 but would have been obsolete within 2 years after that. [5] They were used in this fashion as German losses of all types of armored vehicles now exceeded production. From December of 1943 to March of 1945, 1139 such "hybrids" were produced by Krupp-Gruson at Magdeburg (chassis number 89324 to 89382 and 100001 to unknown). I never build Panther. They were also issued to some army PGD's and not a few ID's. yes, quite right but the hellcat has poor armour so its a given anyway. 11 posts • Page 1 of 1. mav Member Posts: 14 Joined: 22 Jul 2006, 13:05 ... 4. The high velocity guns were not that important in the initial role. On December 17, 1942, the primary battle group in the relief effort lost 90 of their 120 available panzers (although some were repaired and fought again). Not only was its main gun powerful enough to knock out the new Soviet tanks, but the Panzer III chassis on which it was based was highly mobile and reliable, and the increased armor plating combined with its low silhouette made it a difficult vehicle to destroy. AP (solid) projectile … The M10 was built on the M4 chassis, and carried a 3-inch gun similar to the M4's 76mm. It was developed by a … The StuG was used primarily within the Sturmartillerie, a branch of the artillery in the Wehrmacht. against gen. lee tanks and standard sherman its … The Stug 3 and Stug 4 were probably the most cost effective German armoured fighting vehicles of WW2. The StuGs proved effective in a defensive role, but were a poor substitute for conventional tanks offensively. Stug is faster but not as flexible in close corners. Panzer(Stug)Abteilungen of 4 and 17 SSPGD's, 5SSPD later (2 coys. Stug shoots almost double as fast, has the same range and its penetration is enough to penetrate almost every tank in front armor (except IS2 and ISU). And having 2 tanks is much better than 1. In February 1943, at the suggestion of the Ministry of Armament, the Krupp company began trials of a new vehicle with the superstructure of the updated StuG III and the new suspension of the Pz.Kpfw. .....started in the early fall of 1944. I don't know if the plants making StuG bodies could have easily been converted to JgPz IV body production or if JgPz IV production could have completely replaced StuG production. The Bovington Tank Museum in Dorset has one painted in Finnish markings. First, assault guns came into their own for a number of reasons. 14K 3,302 5. Luftwaffe fuel supplies really began to drop rapidly after that. This special assault gun is doctrine-specific and can only be called into the field using a special ability, not produced. It was not intended to be used to exploit breakthroughs and drive into the enemy rear areas, as the Panzertruppen units were intended to do. Colonel Erich von Manstein recommended the concept of infantry Begleitbatterien (escort batteries) to General Beck, chief of the general staff in 1935. Between 1942 … The purpose of this addition was so that the Wehrmacht would have an effective combat support unit that would work well against infantry. F/8 and Ausf. German StuG in Finland. Post Feb 03, 2018 … The StuG was also used in Finland post-war where one unit even mixed StuGs and British turreted 'Charioteer' tank destroyers. Stug IV (Sd.Kfz.167) was armed with 75mm StuK 40 L/48 gun mounted in cast "saukopf" mantlet. by Alkie » Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:47 pm, Post From December of 1943 to March of 1945, 1139 such "hybrids" were produced by Krupp-Gruson at Magdeburg (chassis number 89324 to 89382 and 100001 to unknown). And on top of that, you can build 2 StuG for 1 Panther at almost the same cost. Both StuG models were given an exclusively tank destroyerrole in German formations and tactical planning in the last two years of the war, greatly augmenting the capability of the dwindling tank force available to the German ar… I happen to think he was one of most capable generals and military theorists of the 20th Century. It was operated by 4 men crew. Its maximum speed was 25 mph, and the power reserve was about 96 miles. Some source apply designation Sd.Kfz.163 to Stug IV. In December of 1943, Stug IV was introduced, it was essentially a slightly modified Stug III superstructure (such as extended driver's compartment) mounted on Panzer IV chassis. There is some controversy about Guderian and how truthful his memoirs are. IV H and J. Adolf said 'They're all against you so I can only go with them' Democracy in action. The Wikipedia article says they didn't work well as StuG substitutes but doesn't say why. Post Feb 03, 2018 #3 2018-02-03T15:46. The Stug IV is effective both against infantry and enemy tanks. https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/sturmgeschutz-iv.php It was found, however, that the turretless StuGs had enough room in the crew compartment to handle the 75 mm Pak 40, and this modification was made. As a result, production was significantly reduced. Hello Axis-Guys I'm curious about the version of the Stug III in the following photographs: It's an accident from 17. 1500 of this model was produced, and it was called the Stug III/IV. Yes, the Stug IV was built as a result of the bombing of the Alkett factory. by Roger Griffiths » Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:29 am, Post Message forum of the Feldgrau.com research community, Post [2] Its mission was to destroy prepared defensive works, pill boxes, machine gun emplacements and tanks. Meanwhile, heavier armed tank destroyers were developed, such as the Jagdpanzer IV and the Jagdpanther, which combined the low silhouette of the StuG with the heavier armament of the Panther and Tiger II tanks, respectively. A captured Syrian Panzer IV and StuG III are on display at the Armor Museum in Israel. quote;The reason for this was numbers. Sturmgeschütz (abbreviated into StuG) meaning "assault gun" was a series of armored vehicles used by both the German Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS armored formations during the Second World War that primarily consisted of the StuG III and StuG IV.The more common of the two, the StuG III, was built on the chassis of the proven Panzer III.The StuG III was initially designated "StuG… by kramer » Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:49 am, Post 6. The chassis, for starters. In November 1943, British aircraft bombed Alkett, a large manufacturer of StuG IIIs. The StuG IV was a way to keep the StuG in production after the main assembly plant for it was bombed. Hosted by Art. F was designed with a 105 mm (4.1 in) true howitzer instead of the 7.5 cm StuK 40 L/43 cannon. Stug shoots almost double as fast, has the same range and its penetration is enough to penetrate almost every tank in front armor (except IS2 and ISU). In 1942, a variant of the StuG Ausf. It was based upon the StuG … Redbaron1908 Member Posts: 2023 Joined: 31 Dec 2002, 18:52 Location: Texas. In November 1943, British aircraft bombed Alkett, a large manufacturer of StuG IIIs. Sturmgeschütz (abbreviated into StuG) meaning "assault gun" was a series of armored vehicles used by both the German Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS armored formations during the Second World War that primarily consisted of the StuG III and StuG IV. It was introduced in Update 1.49 "Weapons of Victory". by Roger Griffiths » Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:02 am, Post by twsecrest » Fri May 18, 2018 1:57 pm, Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited. Post by Redbaron1908 » 23 Jul 2003, 18:05 The Sturmhaubitze 42 Ausf. The Blitzkrieg Doctrinemust be active before it can be called into the field. The chassis, for starters. Using a powerful modified 75mm assault gun, it is known as a very effective tank killer. Unlike other, heavier Wehrmacht armored vehicles, the StuG III was built in large numbers, over 10,000 though the best information I have says only 1,600 were deployed on the Western Front. The StuG III's 75 mm KwK 40 L/48 gun could penetrate the M4A1's front armor at 1000 meters or more (except the gun mantlet). Jagdpanzer Grenadier Division “Totenkopf”, Kursk, summer 1943. At first the Stug 3 had a short barreled 75mm gun, but it was upgraded into a long barreled 75 as a countermeasure to the Russian t34. Still, the StuG III was an effective armored fighting vehicle long after the Panzer III had been retired as a main battle tank. This became terribly obvious when the 6th Panzer Division with about 150 long-barrel 50MM Panzer III's (and a small number of effective long barrel 75MM Pz IV's) led the relief effort to break the Stalingrad ring, with the help of the seriously understrength 11th panzer division, made up of smaller numbers of primarily of Panzer III's. Alkie, I've seen those 'posters' you mention and there are a couple here,too.Tank producton was still high considering. The total weight of the StuH was aroun… He doesnt fit its role: 1 Overview 2 Weapons 2.1 75mm StuK 40 L/48 2.2 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 42 3 Veterancy 4 Tactics 5 Weaknesses 6 Variants 7 Quotes 8 Gallery The Stug IV, an abbreviation of Sturmgeschütz IV, is an assault gun, a type of self-propelled artillery. Based on these experiences, the report made by the 11th Panzer division on January 22, 1943 regarding the Panzer III was: ↳   Operational Map Project & Archival Research, ↳   Unit Histories, Feldpost Numbers & Orders of Battle, ↳   Commanders, Personalities & Award Holders, ↳   Foreign Volunteers, Collaboration and Axis Allies, ↳   General WWII German Military Discussion. A machine gun and shield were added to later versions. And it was mechanically reliable. by Alkie » Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:14 pm, Post It was based upon the StuG IIIAusf. However, Stugs. The omission of a regular tank turret made for simpler and more cost-effective production, enabling greater numbers to be built. by Alkie » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:27 pm, Post StuGs did survive on the Eastern front. There may have been intrasevice reasons as well. Aside from the chassis upon which either vehicle was based, is there any major substantive difference between the Stug III and Stug IV assault guns? IV, the Krupp company focused their attention on the … Was'nt it Guderian who requested more StuGs production over tanks? [1] Manstein theorized the vehicle would not be used as one uses a tank, but rather as an infantry support vehicle to destroy fortified objectives through direct fire. It was identical in role and concept to the highly successful StuG III assault gun variant of the Panzer III. The new vehicle proved to be an effective tank destroyer. In December of 1943, Stug IV was introduced, it was essentially a slightly modified Stug III superstructure (such as extended driver's compartment) mounted on Panzer IV chassis. Stug IV (Sd.Kfz.167) was armed with 75mm StuK 40 L/48 gun mounted in cast "saukopf" mantlet. 3,614 8. While the Hetzer has a top speed of 42km/h forwards and 12km/h in reverse to the StuG's 40km/h and 11km/h, the StuG, despite being heavier, has a much more powerful engine (320hp vs 220hp). Produced. 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